What makes "Must Have?"

[cheshirenoir]

Okay, a question for y'all.

I want to know your (up to) 10 "Must have" Goth/Industrial Albums and why everyone should have it.

Feel free to contribute JUST ONE that you are passionate about, or go for the full 10 in you are enthusiastic.

I'll post mine into the comments as well, just to get started.

Comments

[mynxii.livejournal.com]

VAST - Visual Audio Sensory Theatre
Marilyn Manson - Golden Age of Grotesque
Disturbed - The red cover with a pentacle on it one.
NightWish - Oceanborn, Wishmaster, Once
Depeche Mode - Singles 1986 - 1990 or the 4 disk remixes set
Evanescence - Both/Either
Rammstein - As long as it has the Evangelion song, I'm happy.

Lots and lots of 80's stuff that are on ppl's downloaded playlists.

[lie-xin.livejournal.com]

I was going to include that VAST album! :)

[delicious-irony.livejournal.com]

I think that Rammstein one is Sehnsucht.

And yes, Depeche Mode's 86-98 Singles is good, but I'd do the tossup between Violator and Playing the Angel.

[cheshirenoir.livejournal.com]

Why? This is what I want to know.

[mynxii.livejournal.com]

All of these have a sensual and deep, moving quality. They appeal to me both when I want to dance and when I want to delve, and be carried by the music quietly listening alone, or curled up with others. These pieces have the potential to overwhelm my senses in a way I enjoy and when I'm with others, often that is extended to them as well. This music makes me feel, it makes me think and I almost never tire of listening to them.

[lie-xin.livejournal.com]

Ok, these are just off the top of my head and are in no particular order. I also don't know if they're "must have" albums of this genre but they're some of my favourites.

Tool - Aenime
Marilyn Manson - Antichrist Superstar
Nine Inch Nails - Pretty Hate Machine
Lacuna Coil - Comalies
Snog - Third Mall From the Sun
Rob Zombie - The Sinister Urge
Crimes of the Primary - Coma

[angriest.livejournal.com]

Dammit! I was going to suggest Snog!

[cheshirenoir.livejournal.com]

Why? This is what I want to know.

[lie-xin.livejournal.com]

I almost forgot! Support local music. As well as Crimes of the Primary, Karnivool! Plus older groups like Cell 7 and Heretech.

[mikey-ob.livejournal.com]

Heratech SUCK!

[lie-xin.livejournal.com]

Oh I know. I just like supporting local music ;)

[mikey-ob.livejournal.com]

You do know my connection the them right?

[lie-xin.livejournal.com]

No! I'd heard they were a bit of a cunty lot, but does it go personal with you?

[cheshirenoir.livejournal.com]

It *IS* him :-)

[lie-xin.livejournal.com]

Wow. Have I just lost a friend now?

[angriest.livejournal.com]

Oh Christ that's funny.

[lie-xin.livejournal.com]

Why is that funny? Usually I don't give a fuck who I piss off but I do when it's someone I like.

[angriest.livejournal.com]

It's a hilariously unwitting foot-in-mouth cockup featuring two incredibly wonderful people, one of whom I deeply love and the other one of whom is deeply lovely.

It's funny because everyone (well me, at least) has been there before.

Apologies to you and mikey_ob if either of you are upset. You both knows I loves yous.

[mikey-ob.livejournal.com]

Dearest lie_xin,

Yes, I still love you lot's and I think you are the most remarkable person, especially for coping with the burden you carry. You are free to call me what ever you want, even if you do not know about my dark and secret rock-star past. Now promise me that one day you will have many beers with me and we will listen to some evil music!

M

[cheshirenoir.livejournal.com]

-=:[HAPPY ENDING]:=-

[lie-xin.livejournal.com]

Dude, I will have as many beers with you as you would like, and I will listen to whatever music - which reminds me, I have two Mercury Rev albums that I must lend you. And just remember: I would only ever call you names in jest. That's the way I treat all my good friends.

Cock. :)

[mikey-ob.livejournal.com]

Tits:)

[discordia13.livejournal.com]

And to think I was their biggest fangrrl...

You Suck Mikey.

[mikey-ob.livejournal.com]

I will always love you dear one.
Added to FL BTW.

[cheshirenoir.livejournal.com]

As promised:
Floodland: Sisters of Mercy. Arguably one of the "Definitive" Goth albums. Long anthems. Loads of Guitars. Patricia Morrison in the rain. Andy with No Shirt at all!

Peepshow: Siouxsie and the Banshees. A "transition" album for the Banshees. A good crossover point between the later more poppy stuff and the earlier more energetic stuff

Seventeen Seconds: The Cure. See Uncle Robbiy get depressed. See his mascara run. Run Mascara, Run! Defining "Angst Goth" one album at a time.

Lies Inc: SNOG. The explosive first album that launched Mr Thrussell onto the Australian industrial scene. "Corporate Slave" was a brilliant single and worth playing while driving through peak hour with the windows wound down.

Phantasmagoria: The Damned. Possibly the finest "goth" album these pioneers of the scene produced. Has "Grimly Fiendish" on it. Dave Vanian is so teeny tiny close up!

Fun With Knives: Velvet Acid Christ. "Oh god, Did you take all this acid? Tha's right! MUSIC". Sample driven goth/industrial grind with a pechant for Sci Fi samples. This has "Slut" on it. I play "Slut" a lot. I like that song.

Within the Realm of a Dying Sun: Dead Can Dance. The album of choice for Velvetgoths everywhere. Huge orchestral pieces with eerie overarching vocals. Bells! (And Lisa "Gladiator" Gerrard!)

1979-1983: Bauhaus. All the best bits without the weird "scream into the mike again Peter, it drives the girls wild!" type of tracks.

That's eight for now...

[mynxii.livejournal.com]

Also, that song 'corporate slave' it makes me happy - no idea of anything else about it :)

[mikey-ob.livejournal.com]

Goth/Industrial eh.
My tastes tend to be way out of date but anyway here goes.

Tactical Neural Implant - Front Line Assembly
Bunkertor 7 - :wumpscut:
Rabies - Skinny Puppy
First, Last & Always - Sisters of Mercy
The Sky's Gone Out - Bauhaus
Acid Bath - Alien Sex Fiend
Front by Front - Front 242
Scraping Foetus off the Wheel - Foetus/J.Thirlwell
Haujobb - Solutions for a Small Planet
Sozialistisches Patienten Kollektiv - Leichenschrei
(All my SPK stuff got stolen so if anyone has any I would love to get copies)
Oh and of course
SNOG - Lies Inc.

[mikey-ob.livejournal.com]

Whoops mixed up the order of the last few.

Tactical Neural Implant - Front Line Assembly
Bunkertor 7 - :wumpscut:
Rabies - Skinny Puppy
First, Last & Always - Sisters of Mercy
The Sky's Gone Out - Bauhaus
Acid Bath - Alien Sex Fiend
Front by Front - Front 242
Scraping Foetus off the Wheel - Foetus/J.Thirlwell
Solutions for a Small Planet - haujobb
Leichenschrei - Sozialistisches Patienten Kollektiv

[cheshirenoir.livejournal.com]

C'mon WHY would you recommend these to people? Are they insanely danceable? Hugely groundbreaking? Scary? Wierd?

WHY PEOPLE! WHY?

(There is a reason behind all this)

[mikey-ob.livejournal.com]

If you want danceable put on some trance, techno, breaks, or house that's what I do - don't fool yourself, industrial is meant to be difficult art.

Kids today are so boring. *Shakes cane*

[cheshirenoir.livejournal.com]

I think you misunderstand me.

What makes each of these albums "Special"?

Why should everybody own a copy of each of these albums?

(Have a look at my "album choices" for what I'm trying to get at.)

[mikey-ob.livejournal.com]

OK you want to "Why" now.

Tactical Neural Implant - Front Line Assembly
The first cyberpunk album back when the term was not highly embarassing. Excellent layered electronics and rhythms. FLA's best work.

Bunkertor 7 - :wumpscut:
There was Leatherstrip, then there was :w:. Dark hard teutonic industrial that just screamed bombed out Victorian era factory standing on a wasteland at dusk. Harsh and filty synths surrounded with bleak textures.

Rabies - Skinny Puppy
Skinny Puppy with Mr Ministry Al Jourgenson sitting in. Fascist Jock Itch is an intense moment of industrial speed. Warlock is pure stark electronic moods. It showed us where Al would be taking his own work - see Psalm 69.

First, Last & Always - Sisters of Mercy
The best and the only Sisters Album; the rest is just Eldritch. Black Planet is an all time classic goth rock track. Put on a candle, wear your best blacks, roll some rough cut tobacco, and drink large amounts of red wine while you bitch about all that you love.

The Sky's Gone Out - Bauhaus
Brian Eno meets Bauhaus. Yes, this is the most competent of their releases. Third Uncle is a classic.

Acid Bath - Alien Sex Fiend
For me it was my first ASF purchase. More dynamic in musical territory then their previous 2 releases. The real goth udnerground scene of drugs and stupidity pressed into 45mins of vinyl.

Front by Front - Front 242
F242 started as an graphic and music project in 1981 by 2 creative Belgians. This is the release that has Headhunter on it. 'nuff said!

Scraping Foetus off the Wheel - Foetus/J.Thirlwell
Australian production loony makes songs about surfing with satan and washing lines - all mixed in with themes usually found in mental health hospitals. A Gem.

Solutions for a Small Planet - haujobb
Beginning of the more refined industrial movement. Lot's of creative bleeps and blurps. More about technical production and expanding the pallete available to electro artists.

Leichenschrei - Sozialistisches Patienten Kollektiv
SPK are an industrial band - Velvet Acid Christ, Funker Vogt, Combi Christ etc ad nauseum ARE NOT INDUSTRIAL! Listen to this album and see why I say that. SPK are Australians, and bloody weird too.

[cheshirenoir.livejournal.com]

W00t!

THAT is what I was looking for! Thank you VERY much for that!

[lie-xin.livejournal.com]

Wow! I forgot about Skinny Puppy. The Faint, ohgr and Mindless Self Indulgence are pretty awsome, too.

You don't hate me do you?

[krjalk.livejournal.com]

Okay, here's some of mine, in no particular order. Some overlap with other lists.

1) Front 242: Front to Front. Has Headhunter and Welcome to Paradise on it. If any electronic band that came after them doesn't cite them as an influence, they're lying.

2) Snog: Lies, Inc. Shop as usual, and avoid panic buying. While 3rd Mall From the Sun has good tracks like Cliche, nothing had the impact of the debut.

3) Skinny Puppy: Rabies. Oh, the controversy. SP fans either love or hate this Al Jourgensen-influenced departure from their usual style. I firmly come down on the loving it side.

4) Ministry: Psalm 69. Because it's a love affair; mainly Jesus, and my hotrod. Yeah, fuck it. Way less industrial than Land of Rape and Honey or The Mind is a Terrible Thing to Taste, but very influential nonetheless.

5) Sisters of Mercy: Floodland. Responsible for getting me into alternative music. Their best album, even with the bloated Jim Steinman overproduction.

6) Rammstein: Sehnsucht. The only all-German album to go platinum in the US. That’s not a reason for me to like it, it’s just an indication of how good it is.

7) Nine Inch Nails: Pretty Hate Machine. I prefer this to The Downward Spiral, I’m not sure why. Maybe Trent’s self loathing seemed less affected.

I’ll have to think about the last three. Candidates include:

Front 242: Tyranny (For You)
Revolting Cocks: Beers, Steers & Queers
Sisters of Mercy: First and Last and Always
Frontline Assembly: Tactical Neural Implant
Einsturzende Neubaten: Tabula Rasa
KMFDM: Money.

[krjalk.livejournal.com]

Crap, I can't believe I missed Scraping Foetus Off the Wheel

[cheshirenoir.livejournal.com]

Aw man! I forgot "You Goddamned Son of a Bitch" by RevCo. Possibly one of the best concert CDs I have heard.

If there was a nominated DVD Concert tho, It'd be Ministry's "In Case You Didn't Feel Like Turning Up" featuring enough "guest" artists to pretty much mix-n-match at least a dozen alternative acts...

[lie-xin.livejournal.com]

Shit. Have I made Mikey hate me? I was only commenting on what I'd heard *years* ago from other people. I had no idea he was Heretech.

[mikey-ob.livejournal.com]

There was one member who had quite a bad reputation around town. No it was not me; I actually encouraged lot's of others to get their acts on stage and recorded. But yes there was one member who "put it about" a bit. And that is all I will say on ancient history.

oooh

[discordia13.livejournal.com]

I've tried to limit myself to one artist per slot, and no "best of" or singles albums. ;) So here is my 10 albums, in no particular oder.

1. Nine Inch Nails - Broken
First real industrial sounds that I got into. Happiness In Slavery, Wish, Last. The whole EP was ahead of it's time. The videos seriously scary.

2. Cubanate - Cyberia
More guitar Industrial. Serious stomping beats. Loved this album.

3. Velvet Acid Christ - Fun With Knives.
For exactly the same reasons Cheshire gave it. Really is still VAC's finest work.

4. SNOG - Lies Inc
Not really Gothic or Industrial but brings back a lot of fond memories for me from the early 90s.

5. Neurotic Fish - Gelb
Again not goth or industrial, but a part of the scene. Arguably better than Covenant. They are coming to take me away!

6. The Sisters of Mercy - Floodland
Quintessential goth. Must have in everyones collection.

7. Frontline Assembly - Artificial Soldier
Their best album in years. Real industrial again.

8. Depeche Mode - Violator
For me as goth as DM ever got. Another great album full of memories.

9. Ministry - Land of Rape and Honey
Old school. heh, actually very old school. Not quite industrial, but Stigmata was the song that got me into this crazy mess that im in.

10. Front 242 - Front by Front
Headhunter, and a couple of other classics. The one album I never managed to obtain

[lucretiae.livejournal.com]

OK, several that other people have already mentioned, but classics are classics for a reason, neh?

Nine Inch Nails - Broken
Close call between having this and Pretty Hate Machine. Broken really is IMHO the angstiest side of Trent. This is when it was still all original. I'm recently rethrashing lots of my NIN stuff and I didn't realise how many bass lines or drum beats I hear on With Teeth and The Fragile that remind me of earlier stuff.

Sisters of Mercy - Floodland
Again a close call for me between Floodland and Vision Thing. Classic goth with Dominion, Mother Russia and This Corrosion. And of course Lucretia *grin* Vision Thing still has three of my favourites in Ribbons, When you don't see me and I was Wrong.

Ministry - Psalm 69
The best Ministry album ever made. Grinding vocals and screaming guitars barely held together by the drums. What more could a girl want? Like krjack said, it's a love affair, mainly jesus and my hotrod. Yeah, fuck it!

Snog - Lies Inc
Just so many tracks that I like. They have a rhythm and you can dance to them!

Leatherstrip - Fit for Flogging
I just like it. I love Nose Candy, and of course the classic AntiUS.
Our job is to execute the president, don't be so sensitive about it...

Machines of Loving Grace - Concentration
For me this was one of those albums I bought on a whim knowing very little about the artist. I feel I was greatly rewarded. An interesting blend of a gothy and electronic feel.

Front Line Assembly - Reclamation
Just because I can't pick one album, I have to go for the compilation. Again, I just like it coz it's got a beat and you can dance to it. Might be the throbbing beat too.

Portishead - Dummy
A great chill out album. Haunting vocals, bitter lyrics... could be a hint of goth?

Rammstein - Sehnsucht
No list of must have insdustrial albums would be complete without something in German. The language was made for industrial music! And this is just one of the best. I'm a sucker for heavy beats and screaming guitars.

The Tea Party - Tangents
Wonderful use of non standard instruments by this band really suckered me in. This again is a compilation coz I couldn't pick just one album.

Semi-OT

[fostware.livejournal.com]

NiN has the effect of polarising quite a few people. It's easy to start a fight with "Which one do you prefer - Pretty Hate Machine, Broken, Fixed, or The Downward Spiral?"
It's been pointed out that each major NiN release loosely chronicled a phase in Trent's life, and he's never held back about the fact. I like that an album can be just right for a mood or point in life.

I know it's so stereotypical, but I can listen to Violator on repeat and still enjoy the music halfway through the day. Name another album that you can do that to. Add a dash of Mike Shinoda - Enjoy the Silence and it would be the perfect album

Other favs are:-

Cubanate - Cyberia (maybe Barbarossa a little) when I want something base-ish and raw

Cell 7 - Precognition EP still gets a hammering when I want something a little old-school local

Cure - Wish for three songs : From the Edge of the Deep Green Sea, Trust, and Doing the Unstuck. Wallow in the despair!

Razed in Black for some great fast driving songs (the car only does 130kph tops which is probably a good thing :P )

There are others (many) but they depend too much on which mood I'm in to discern which one should be played...